{"id":288,"date":"2024-10-21T05:39:45","date_gmt":"2024-10-21T05:39:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp.southernheritageadvancementpreservationeducation.com\/?p=288"},"modified":"2024-10-21T05:40:13","modified_gmt":"2024-10-21T05:40:13","slug":"southern-heritage-advancement-preservation-and-education-forums-general-general-discussion-track-thread-secession-movements-pre-1859","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wp.southernheritageadvancementpreservationeducation.com\/?p=288","title":{"rendered":"Secession Movements Pre 1859"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n\n
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Val,<\/p>\n

In another thread you ask which came first secession or the election. Information provided by my friend David Upton shows that the right secession was thought about well before 1861.<\/p>\n

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The doctrine of the right of secession was pioclaimed by John Quincy Adams in an oration at Boston in 1833, when he said:
\n\u201cTo the people alone is thus reserved as well the dissolving as the constituent power. With these qualifications we may admit the same rights vested in the people of every state in the Union with reference to the general government.\u201d
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\nDe Tocqueville, in his work entitled \u201cDemocracy in America,\u201d says:
\n\u201cThe Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the States, and in uniting together they have not forfeited their nationality, nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the States chose to withdraw its name from the contract, it would be difficult to disapprove its right of doing so.\u201d
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\nAnother eminent foreign author, Thos. Colley Grattan, in a work entitled \u201cCivilized America,\u201d says:
\n\u201cAny State may at any time constitutionally withdraw from the Union, and thus virtually dissolve it. It was not certainly created with the idea that the States, or several of them, would desire
\na separation. But whenever they choose to do it they have no obstacle in the way.”
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\nIn the convention of Virginia, called to ratify or reject the Federal Constitution, Madison, Lee and Innis, in defending the Constitution from the powerful assaults of Patrick Henry, contended
\nthat, in ratifying the Constitution, theStates would not absolutely surrender any power whatever\u2014that to delegate powers was not to surrender them, and that they would have a right to renounce
\nthem whenever, in their opinion, the federal oovernment should become destructive of the ends for which it was established.
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\nThos. Jefferson:
\n\u201cStates,\u201d said Jefferson, \u201ccan wholly withdraw their delegated powers.\u201d \u201cIf they (the States west of the Allegany) declare themselves a separate people, we are incapable of a single effort to
\nretain them. OUR CITIZENS CAN NEVER LIE INDUCED, EITHER AS MILITIA OR AS SOLDIERS, TO GO THERE TO CUT THE THROATS OF THEIR OWN BROThERS AND SONS, or to be themselves the subjects, instead of the
\nperpetrators of the parricide. Nor would that country quit the cost of being retained against the will of its inhabitants, could it be done. BUT IT CANNOT BE DONE.\u201d
\nThis doctrine of the possible right of a State to resume its delegated powers was distinctly announced in the Kentucky resolutions of 1798, which were drawn by Mr. Jefferson, and in Madison\u2019s resolutions passed by the legislature of Virginia the same year.
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\nIn 1821 the following resolution was passed by the legislature of Ohio almost without opposition, only seven votes being recorded against it:
\n\u201cResolved, That in respect to the powers of the governments of the several States that compose the American Union, and the powers of the federal government, this general assembly do
\nrecognize and approve the doctl-ines asserted by the legislatures of Virginia and Kentucky in their resolutions of November and December, 1798, and January, 1800, and do consider that
\ntheir principles have been recognized and adopted by a majority of the American people.\u201d
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\nThe right of secession was so strong that New England WOULD eventually secede that John Adams refused a local reverand a subscription to build a college in Tennessee, being it would soon be a foriegn country to New England. He saw “no possiblility of continuing the Union of the States; their dissolution must necessarily take place; and he therefore saw no propriety in recommending to New
\nEngland men to promote an institution in the South.\u201d A similar statement was made by Hamilton when the question of the adoption of the Constitution was before the people of the State of New York. Said he: \u201cThis (the dissolution of the Union) after all seems to be the most likely result.\u201d New England, especially Massachusetts, has always held that it was her right to withdraw whenever she pleased. Massachusetts distinctly asserted this right.<\/p>\n

1811
\nWhen the question of the purchase of Louisiana was before Congress in 1811, Mr. Josiah Quincy, of Massachusetts, said- and placed in the record of the U.S. House of Representatives (twice):
\n\u201cIf this bill passes. it is my doliberate opinion that it is virtually a dissolution of the Union; that it will free the States from their moral obligation; and as it will be the right of all, so it will be the duty of some to prepare for separation, amicably if they can, violently if they must.\u201d
\nA committee of the legislature of Massachusetts reported a resolution to the same effect. This same doctrine of the right of secession was reaffirmed by the New England States in 1812, and
\nthe famous Hartford Convention was called for the purpose of effecting that object.<\/p>\n

1844
\nMassachusetts again asserted the right of secession on the admission of Texas in<\/p>\n

1843, when Charles Francis Adams introduced to the legislature a secession and disunion the following resolutions, which passed, and which have not been rescinded to this day:
\n\u201cResolved, That the annexation of Texas is, ipso facto, a dissolution of the Union.”
\n\u201cResolved, That Texas being annexed Massachusetts is out of the Union.\u201d<\/p>\n

January 16, 1857
\nA disunion convention assembled at Worcester, Massachusetts, at which the following resolutions were passed:
\n\u201cResolved, That the meeting of a State disunion convention, attended by men of various parties and affinities, gives occasion for a new statement of principles and a new platform of action.”
\n\u201cResolved, That this movement does not seek merely disunion, but the more perfect union of the free States by the expulsion of the slave States from the confederation, in which they have been
\nan element of discord, danger and disgrace.”
\n\u201cResolved, That henceforward, instead of regarding it as an objection to any system of policy, that it will lead to the separation of the States, we will proclaim that to be the highest of all
\nrecommendations, and the grateful proof of statesmanship, and will support, pollitically or otherwise, such men and measures as appear to tend most to this result.”
\n\u201cResolved, That the sooner the separation takes place the more peaceful it will be; but that peace or war is a secondary consideration in view of our present perils. Slavery must be conquered, \u2018peaceably if we cane forcibly if we must.\u2019\u201d
\nIn October of 1857 another Disunion Convention was held in Cleveland, Ohio.<\/p>\n

In 1828 a Disunion Caucus was held in Charleston, South Carolina<\/p>\n

In 1850 a Disunion convention was held in Nashville, Tennessee<\/p>\n

In May of 1843 at the 11th annual meeting of the Massachusetts Anti-Slavery Society a resolution was adopted calling for the Union to be annulled.
\nIn May 1844 in New York City an Anti-Slavery Meeting called for the dissolution of the Union and the repeal of the U. S. Constitution. Proposed by William Lloyd Garrison and won by a vote of 3 to 1.<\/p>\n

On August 22, of 1844 Federick Douglas spoke in favor of Disunion.
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