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The essence of a successful counter to any drum-beat of criticism – such as the insistent and incorrect charge of “it was all about slavery” – is a powerful but BRIEF rejoinder. It is impossible to make a headway against this tactic if you are reduced to actually explaining the situation. People don’t hear anything longer than a short phrase; we are a “bumper-sticker” culture. However, iin this case, we have one just such a rejoinder and it should ALWAYS be used in each and every case. Whenever we hear “i-w-a-a-s”, our rejoinder loud and clear should be: the Corwin Amendment, the CORWIN Amendment, the CORWIN Amendment! Now it’s true, most of those hearing our response won’t know anything about the Amendment, but once they ask – which they will – we then say, “it was the second irrevocable amendment to the Constitution* (already being ratified in 1861) which would have protected in perpetuity the institution of slavery wherever it presently existed in the nation. So the only real protection of slavery for the South was to remain in the Union!” Simple, short and easy to understand! Our point is made. If slavery was the problem, the solution was not to leave the Union, but to stay! (*the first such irrevocable amendment refers to the number of representatives in the House – 435). The Corwin Amendment makes a total hash of the argument that secession – and hence the war – was all about slavery.
Now, the next argument that will be raised (I’ve seen it) is that none of that matters. The South was evil because of slavery. The only answer to that is that the North was equally involved in that institution and, indeed, was the primary mover far more so than the South in that the slave trade itself was carried on by the North right up until 1862(!) and slavery existed in the North far longer than people know. Indeed, Abraham Lincoln believed that slavery in New Jersey could be ended in 1914! Furthermore, Jim Crow laws squared existed in the Northern States. Called “black codes”, in many cases these forbade blacks – slave or free – from entering (much less settling) in the states of the North, Mid-West and West. So the point is this: if the debate is going to be “all about slavery (i.e. race)” then let’s at least be accurate about it and not unjustly single out one side for condemnation! Let’s look at slavery from the beginning, that is, blacks selling other blacks to the New England slave ships to the treatment of blacks outside of the South. We would make a much bigger impact with a DVD focusing on the issue of slavery and getting all the facts out there (including Great Britain’s war against the slave trade not being a moral but an imperialist war against the empires of Spain and Portugal in the New World) in a way that most folks have never seen before. If this is going to be their issue (and obviously it is) then we must meet it head on rather than trying to “prove” it was a peripheral issue. The emotional impact of slavery is such that we aren’t going to marginalize it, neither are we going to be able to distract attention away from it with economic and other cultural issues. Until we address the issue of slavery in a complete and accurate way, they are going to have the “magic bullet” of the “race card” to counter our every argument even about the brutality of the war on the helpless. “They deserved it!” will be the response to Lincoln’s, Sherman’s, Sheridan’s and Grant’s war crimes. I believe it is essential that we, too, take up the drum-beat of the slavery issue. Anything else appears as if we are avoiding it because we cannot prevail if it is used. We can prevail as soon as we can show that their argument (the South seceded and went to war to protect slavery) is patent idiocy and makes no sense at all! The South could not really win a hard fought shooting war against such a large, wealthy and powerful enemy. The Confederacy could only hope to prevail if [1] secession was peaceful – and Lincoln was adamant that it would not be; [2] that the Union would resist or reject a war if it became more than a 90 day conflict and became too costly or [3] major European powers like Great Britain allied themselves with the Confederacy. A protracted, hard fought war could not be won by the South and I believe that they knew it. So to say that the South willingly went to war to protect an institution that could have been protected in perpetuity by remaining in the Union is simply stupid and anyone who believes it has bovine eschatology for brains. So the time has come to forget tariffs and culture and religion and Northern tyranny and focus on what they are focusing on because, damn it! we have the better argument. |
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gpthelastrebel |
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Not only the Corwin admendment but Lincoln himself said —-
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.” Slavery was not an issue for the war. It was an issue of secession. Therefore the war becomes a war for the right of secession and not slavery. As I like to point out, slavery was only a part of the causes for 4 states, or at least this is how many Casues of secession documents I can find. These 4 states amount less than half of the Confederacy. GP [ Edited Fri Dec 31 2010, 05:11PM ] |
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Lady Val |
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The South did not secede, however, to protect slavery and we have to make that point absolutely clear. We cannot put in caveats or extraneous issues. We are dealing with an uneducated, “dumbed down” public that can’t handle too many ideas at the same time. FIRST AND FOREMOST we have to get it into their heads that secession had nothing whatsoever to do with slavery and, in fact, secession was contrary to the institution! If the South was wedded to slavery as our enemies say, then the Southern states would have remained in the Union! If we can get that point across – and it is THE most important point – then we are making headway against their argument that it was all about slavery. We should use this response every time they make the point that it was all about slavery. EVERY TIME!! – no exceptions! | ||
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gpthelastrebel |
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These points you posted are absolutely correct. My argument is generally to let my opponent point out the Causes of Secession, particularly that of Mississippi, which states “Our position is thoroughly associated with slavery. I agree with then that statement is true. From there I take apart their arguments using documents they generally provide as proof “it was all about slavery.” For instance they never want to acknowledge the fact all other Secession documents mention other factors such as taxes, bailouts, protection from outlaws and bandits. Then I hit then with a few Lincoln quotes , that is if they hang around long enough!!!
Yes secession was contrary to slavery. Look at the land the south was actually giving to the North by the act of secession. By secession the Northern then did not have to worry about a free blacks or slaves coming into their boundaries. By secession the abolitionist would have to fold his tent and leave town, there would be no return of fugitive slaves so all those escaping to the North were forever safe. By letting the south go with the slaves, that issue was settled for Lincoln completely. He did not have to find the money in order to “purchase” the slaves freedom, nor worry about how or where to colonize them. These are just what I can think of off hand perhaps there are more benefits for the North, but for the moment these benefits escape me. GP |
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Lady Val |
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Once upon a time, the new Roman state was attempting to dethrone the economic power of their largest rival, Rhodes. Rhodes was a great commercial port with a tax rate of 2%. The Romans set up another port in the area with NO taxes. Before you know it, that port siphoned all of the commerce from Rhodes because low as their taxes were, they weren’t low enough. The North feared the Confederate policy of low tariffs. They realized that a 10% tariff compared to a 40% tariff was going to lure their commercial partners southward. This was just one more reason why the South could not be permitted to became a sovereign nation; it was just too much competition. | ||
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I haven’t studied the tax issue enough to have a relly good grasp on it. There doesn’t seem to be anyreal credible websites that cover this issue either. One dayI am going to make a sincere effort to understand that issue better.
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Lady Val |
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You might find help in several of the institutes – Stephen D. Lee and Abbeville. Also, the books by DiLorenzo are good as he is an economist by training. Wars are ALWAYS fought for economic reasons primarily. If the South had been an economic drain on the Union, however much Lincoln wanted consolidation, the Northern money interests would have been happy to let it go – or perhaps, they would have insisted on genocide so that the valuable land of the South could be populated by industrious New Englanders. Oh, wait! That’s just what happened!! |
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